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Post Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:41 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Snoop65 wrote:
MRHP wrote:
Magnaryder wrote:So Eric, what have you rolled into your BBB amps? I'm curious about the differences in the 12AX7s.

ray


Ray, here are a few that I have rolled and a short description. BTW the 12ax7 socket is cool because you can run a 12au7 or 5751 in it.

Mullard 12ax7 10M series; full bodied, warm smooth mids.
Amperex 12ax7 labled Sel Lorenz with falcon logo dimple disc getter; big fat soundstage kinda like a Telefunken on steroids.
Mullard 12ax7 labled Siemens ECC83 with falcon logo; a little flat sounding untill I use them on a harsh/bright recording and they really sound great.
1949 Ken Rad 12ax7; these sound great with any music nice airy topend and smooth midrange and bass
GE 5751 five star triple mica black plates; nice tight bass, very focused and a bit steril.
1957 Sylvania 5751 triple mica black plate d-getter; very nice airy topend tight bass liquid midrange, these babys are nice.
1957 Brimar 13D5 (12au7) very mellow and s.w.e.e.t. low noise, not even a hint of harsh-ness
1957 Amperex ECC186 / 7316 (12au7) very 3-D with airy open topend and liquid midrange.

Eric, you forgot to warn Ray about the Mullards 10M prices, you don't want him to have a heart attack! I have to back you up on the Siemens dual post getter 12AX7 it's a awesome tube!!!


And I have to back you on the RFT 12AU7 midrange- that's where I am at. 8) :lol:
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Post Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:36 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

MRHP wrote:The sylvania 5751's can get expensive also. Im looking for a second set right now so I will have a quad for mono block operation.


I've been robbing folks at thrift stores, they have no idea what they have and it's all cheap. I've found Tele's, the Sylvania 5751s, Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8s and 12AX7s, Mullards and EIs that I 'might' have $100 in all together. I found a $25 signal generator filled with Telefunken audio tubes that looks like it has been well cared for. Can't wait to roll them in the Sunfire.

Thanks for the pointers guys!!!! Your advice has given me lots of things to think about and avenues to find some of this stuff without robbing the bank.

ray
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Post Fri May 02, 2014 4:44 pm

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crap
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Post Sat May 03, 2014 7:26 am

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Magnaryder wrote:
MRHP wrote:The sylvania 5751's can get expensive also. Im looking for a second set right now so I will have a quad for mono block operation.


I've been robbing folks at thrift stores, they have no idea what they have and it's all cheap. I've found Tele's, the Sylvania 5751s, Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8s and 12AX7s, Mullards and EIs that I 'might' have $100 in all together. I found a $25 signal generator filled with Telefunken audio tubes that looks like it has been well cared for. Can't wait to roll them in the Sunfire.

Thanks for the pointers guys!!!! Your advice has given me lots of things to think about and avenues to find some of this stuff without robbing the bank.

ray


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Post Sat May 03, 2014 10:01 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Wish I knew then what I know now... #-o ......
I have previously felt like the folks that dumped their gear to the thrift store would if they just read your post Ray!.

A forum member knew exactly what tube it was that went bad in my tube tester when I pm'ed and asked if he ever heard of it. I went and googled the darn thing and HOLY SMOKES!!!

..........I would have removed the tube as soon as I got the tester (while it was in good shape) had I only known.... put it on eBay Japan and bought 5 more tube testers. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
-where is that souped up DeLorean with the super flux capacitor??? :lol:
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Post Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

For EL-84's, these look tasty!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCHED-PAIR-REFLEKTOR-SOVTEK-EL84M-6BQ5-7189-EL84-POWER-TUBES-/121340510646?#ht_1914wt_684

Two pair for the CF or Black Beauty amp sets you back $40 plus the shipping.

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Post Fri May 16, 2014 9:53 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Good find Mark! =D>
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Post Fri May 16, 2014 11:36 pm

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SOLD!!!! :D :lol: \:D/
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Post Sat May 17, 2014 9:04 am

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Now find some 6ax7's PLEASE! [-o<
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Post Sat May 17, 2014 5:11 pm

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I hope all of you enjoy your little 20watt EL84amps as much as I'VE have. I'm certain they will rock on with the new pre we'll be building at this year's Fest.

ray
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Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

Tim deParavicini's E.A.R. Yoshino V20 Integrated Amplifier, Fosgate Signature Phono pre, No. 50 and 51 Carverfest Tube amps, Hammond M3 tube amp, Ariston RD-40 Turntable w/ Linn Basik LSV tonearn, Grado Statement Master1 cartridge, Cardas Silver wire service and wire block, Carver TX-8 & 11 tuners, Carver TD-12 & 1700 decks, Tascam CC-222mkII CD recorder, Carver HR-742 reciever, DBX-3BX & 200xg & 120x, CarverAudio ALV prototypes, Alesis Studio One loudspeakers, Dahlquist DQ-8s, The Carver Research DarkStar Sub and Stax Earspeakers.

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Post Sat May 17, 2014 10:03 pm

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I am having a brain fart. What is the 6 volt input tube number? I need more for my amps.
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Post Sat May 17, 2014 10:54 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

6ax7, Beemers sold me a quad of vintage tubes my last trip to VHoP

ray
Magnaryder

Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

Tim deParavicini's E.A.R. Yoshino V20 Integrated Amplifier, Fosgate Signature Phono pre, No. 50 and 51 Carverfest Tube amps, Hammond M3 tube amp, Ariston RD-40 Turntable w/ Linn Basik LSV tonearn, Grado Statement Master1 cartridge, Cardas Silver wire service and wire block, Carver TX-8 & 11 tuners, Carver TD-12 & 1700 decks, Tascam CC-222mkII CD recorder, Carver HR-742 reciever, DBX-3BX & 200xg & 120x, CarverAudio ALV prototypes, Alesis Studio One loudspeakers, Dahlquist DQ-8s, The Carver Research DarkStar Sub and Stax Earspeakers.

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Post Mon May 19, 2014 3:56 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Looks like i am going to have to join in the fun before I roll both of my amps out
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2 channel - empty, Klipschorns

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Post Thu May 22, 2014 3:18 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Funny thing happened. After swapping amps with MR HP I decided to test both amps before I sold them. I've been running the stock Sovtek EL84 tubes in one of them and I think I like them better then the new style Mullards.

I also ordered a pair of the MATCHED PAIR 'REFLEKTOR' SOVTEK EL84M that Mark posted as well to try out.

After speaking with Eric a couple weeks ago I thought I would try out a couple 12AX7's. Here is one I am looking at, though I hate the idea of ordering from Hong Kong:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141267023675?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Any other suggestions?
Tinpan

HT - Sunfire TG IV, Sunfire Cinema Grand Sig. 400 x 5, Oppo 93, Klipsch LaScala (3), Cornwalls (2), SW-12, Sony 60" LCD

2 channel - AN L2 Pre-amp, AN Interstage Mono Blocks 300b PSE, AN 2.1 DAC, Oppo DV-981HD, Lowther PM4a/Azurahorn/SentryIV

2 channel - AN L3 Signature Line stage, AN Interstage Mono Blocks 300b PSE, AN Sig. DAC 3.1 , AN Sig. Phono Stage, Sota Comet TT, Altec A5's

2 channel - empty, Klipschorns

2 channel - Audio Note Kit 1 300b SET, Audio Note DAC 2.1, Altec A4's
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Post Thu May 22, 2014 5:17 pm

Re: Tube rolling the Baby Black Beauty or CF amps

Siemens 12AX7's (make sure they are made in Germany) , GE 5751 triple mica black plates, RCA 12AX7's long black plates, Mullard 10M 12AX7's (BIG BUCKS$$$$) and Amperex Bugle Boy 12AX7's (these didn't sound good in my set upbut i sent them to Dan and he liked them)
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