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Phono vs CDP

Post by MRHP » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:09 am

Is it common for your phono stage to sound better/more realistic than your cd player?
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:41 am

MRHP wrote:Is it common for your phono stage to sound better/more realistic than your cd player?
Imho yes. There is just something special about turntables. They seem to create a better sense of space.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by TNRabbit » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:54 am

I've heard home-recorded CDs made from an LP that sound EXACTLY like the LP did (that sense of space). SO, IMO, the fault with commercially recorded CDs is that they fuck something up in the process...
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:11 am

Interesting thought Rabbit. I have plenty of quality home made Cd's. I never thought about comparing them against the record because I made them for listening in my car. Have to sit down and check that out.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:23 am

I have to say though I have a few albums on both cd and record and its not that the cd recording was bad it was just the record sounded better. I know what you mean about poorly recorded cds. There are some out there that just sound terrible.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by frankieD » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:20 am

Snoop65 wrote:I have to say though I have a few albums on both cd and record and its not that the cd recording was bad it was just the record sounded better. I know what you mean about poorly recorded cds. There are some out there that just sound terrible.

Hey Snoop, try mking a CD from a record of an album you have on CD & compare the two CD's. See if the one you mastered (from LP) sounds different/better than the one you bought.

I think you may find that they are different.

Just my .02

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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:06 pm

frankieD wrote:
Snoop65 wrote:I have to say though I have a few albums on both cd and record and its not that the cd recording was bad it was just the record sounded better. I know what you mean about poorly recorded cds. There are some out there that just sound terrible.

Hey Snoop, try mking a CD from a record of an album you have on CD & compare the two CD's. See if the one you mastered (from LP) sounds different/better than the one you bought.

I think you may find that they are different.

Just my .02
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by MRHP » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:57 pm

Very interesting, I can see where the recording may fall short. I have an album on disc and lp and I did an A/B on them, the lp walked away the clear winner.

Will the 490t record a cd? Ive never even thought about it.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:16 pm

MRHP wrote:Very interesting, I can see where the recording may fall short. I have an album on disc and lp and I did an A/B on them, the lp walked away the clear winner.

Will the 490t record a cd? Ive never even thought about it.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by Snoop65 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:19 pm

I use a Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 to record Cd's.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by frankieD » Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:40 pm

I have an Harmon Kardon CD recorder that accepts analog input (as well as digital).

The LP's I've recorded onto CD's sound exactly (to me) the same as the vinyl versions.

The good is the vinyl sound & convenience...the bad is the hiss & pops.

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Post by angelod307 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:14 pm

bob thought the same thing with early cd mastering. so, he inventended the digital time lens to help. look up in the owners manual for the digital time lens, and it will give you some insight on what is going on.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by F1nut » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:53 am

Well, the problem with early CD mastering is that they weren't mastered for CD. They simply used the RIAA EQ'd masters, so it's no wonder the CD's lacked with the lack of bass being the most noticeable.

I've heard plenty of really crappy LP's and really crappy CD's. I've also heard some pretty good LP's and CD's, but the inherent flaws related to LP's, regardless of their sound quality, still remain. Thankfully there are plenty of excellent sounding CD's and SACD's available these days for my listening pleasure. Having a CD or CD/SACD player that uses tubes in the output stage is a must, IMO.

This may interest some. David Manley (of VTL and Manley tube gear fame) was asked to demo and provide his opinion of the first CD player (Philips, IIRC). He wasn't too keen on it until he added tubes to the output. He said at that time (early 80's) that it sounded just as good as vinyl without the inherent flaws.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by tinpan » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:27 am

It is so nice when you find a piece of music that you like that is recorded well in either format.
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Re: Phono vs CDP

Post by helicopterpilotdoug » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:31 am

Whoever posted that CD vs LP video yesterday please re-post the link. That was so funny!!
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