Turn Table Talk
Turn Table Talk
Well I decided to upgrade my stock DL-110 cart to a ZuAudio DL-Zu-103. Its a Denon DL-103 modified by Zu Audio.
I might be doing something wrong and need some TT guys to help me set it up. It is a MC cart like the 110 so I did not make any changes to the Pro-Ject phono preamp. When setup this way it has very low output/gain. With the sunfire cranked wide open its just barely at listening level.
Maybe I need to look at putting ohm jumpers on the back of the phono preamp?? Brian?? I can switch the phono pre to MM and it picks up lots of gain....really too much. Maybe It has such a lowered noise floor Im just not used to it...lol
Next issue. There is a twist dial on the rear of the tone arm. It is graduated 0.0/0.1/0.2/0.3 etc. Is this .1 gram increments or 1 whole gram increments.
I might be doing something wrong and need some TT guys to help me set it up. It is a MC cart like the 110 so I did not make any changes to the Pro-Ject phono preamp. When setup this way it has very low output/gain. With the sunfire cranked wide open its just barely at listening level.
Maybe I need to look at putting ohm jumpers on the back of the phono preamp?? Brian?? I can switch the phono pre to MM and it picks up lots of gain....really too much. Maybe It has such a lowered noise floor Im just not used to it...lol
Next issue. There is a twist dial on the rear of the tone arm. It is graduated 0.0/0.1/0.2/0.3 etc. Is this .1 gram increments or 1 whole gram increments.
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Re: Turn Table Talk
PROBABLY .1 gram increments, but they are all different.
MC should be set to Moving Coil input.
MC should be set to Moving Coil input.
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Re: Turn Table Talk
cannot remember what the output mv of the cart is,, you may need a step up,,i am not familar with your pre-- but when I had my 103 I did have to use the sut-- good luck--let us know.
Re: Turn Table Talk
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Re: Turn Table Talk
Thats close, mine is the Tube Box SEII.
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Re: Turn Table Talk
Eric.MRHP wrote:Well I decided to upgrade my stock DL-110 cart to a ZuAudio DL-Zu-103. Its a Denon DL-103 modified by Zu Audio.
I might be doing something wrong and need some TT guys to help me set it up. It is a MC cart like the 110 so I did not make any changes to the Pro-Ject phono preamp. When setup this way it has very low output/gain. With the sunfire cranked wide open its just barely at listening level.
I hate to inform you, that your Denon DL110 is a HIGH OUTPUT MC, that is normally run on the MM settings. The output is 1.6mv.
If you have been running it on the MC setting, and I think thats how I set it up for you, you have been giving it an extra 20db gain.
The Denon DL103 is a true low output MC 0.3mv, so your phono box should be set for a MC set up with a load Impedance of 100 ohm (the jumpers on the back) with a tracking force of 2.3 to 2.5 gram
for the DL110 you should have your phono box set on MM with the Load Impedance set at 47K ohm with a tracking force of 1.8 gram
While I had your phono box at my house, I did try it out on a system that has a Denon DL103R on it and I had no problems with the volume.
What tubes are you running in you phono box, are they 12AX7 or a variant that has lower gain.
hope you solve you problem.
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Re: Turn Table Talk
OK disreguard alot of things I said in my first post. You are correct Brian, you had me setup on MM and no jumpers with the DL-110.
I am now correctly setup for the 103 with MC setting and 2.3 grams tracking force, all I need now is to find those darned little jumpers
and install them for 100 ohm.
Will it hurt anything to run as above without the 100 ohm jumpers?
I am now correctly setup for the 103 with MC setting and 2.3 grams tracking force, all I need now is to find those darned little jumpers



Will it hurt anything to run as above without the 100 ohm jumpers?
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Lucas Labs CF-14
Sunfire Tube pre
DENON DP-62L TT
DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
OK ERIC, LET GO OF THE MOUSE AND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR PC WITH YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. NOW SLOWLY LAY FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!!!! - Snoop65
PT-2400 serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0002
Cherry/260wpc Mono Blocks
Lightstar Reference
Sunfire Series II 625x2
Carver 490t
OPPO-103
Lucas Labs CF-14
Sunfire Tube pre
DENON DP-62L TT
DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
OK ERIC, LET GO OF THE MOUSE AND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR PC WITH YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. NOW SLOWLY LAY FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!!!! - Snoop65
Re: Turn Table Talk
Found the jumpers...cant believe I found them, but I did.
Everything sounding real nice, thanks for the help!
Everything sounding real nice, thanks for the help!
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PT-2400 serial #0001
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Cherry/260wpc Mono Blocks
Lightstar Reference
Sunfire Series II 625x2
Carver 490t
OPPO-103
Lucas Labs CF-14
Sunfire Tube pre
DENON DP-62L TT
DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
OK ERIC, LET GO OF THE MOUSE AND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR PC WITH YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. NOW SLOWLY LAY FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!!!! - Snoop65
PT-2400 serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0002
Cherry/260wpc Mono Blocks
Lightstar Reference
Sunfire Series II 625x2
Carver 490t
OPPO-103
Lucas Labs CF-14
Sunfire Tube pre
DENON DP-62L TT
DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
OK ERIC, LET GO OF THE MOUSE AND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR PC WITH YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. NOW SLOWLY LAY FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!!!! - Snoop65
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Re: Turn Table Talk
Congratulations Eric! I love a success story! 

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Re: Turn Table Talk
EricMRHP wrote:Found the jumpers...cant believe I found them, but I did.
Everything sounding real nice, thanks for the help!
Real glad you sorted it out, is nice to have buddies.
BTW. if you can return the DL-103, do your self a BIG favour and get the DL-103R
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Re: Turn Table Talk
Another success story courtesy of Carver...YEAH!!!!
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Re: Turn Table Talk
MRHP -The DL-110 just gave you a little "taste" of MC.....phono cart's are much like tubes, throw money at it (increasingly better quality)and watch your system grow "sweeter"!

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Re: Turn Table Talk
Once again Dan is correct. There are so many cartridges out there it will make your head spin. Research well and check with your buddies but before you drop big bucks.Chauss wrote:MRHP -The DL-110 just gave you a little "taste" of MC.....phono cart's are much like tubes, throw money at it (increasingly better quality)and watch your system grow "sweeter"!
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Re: Turn Table Talk
I already have tube fever, the last thing I need is cart fever
Thanks to everybody for the help, its good to have friends who know what they are doing!
Well here is my quick review of the new cart. A little too dark at first but after some run time it lit right up. It has a nice warm musical sound and I hear aluminum is supposed to sound that way where wood has more detail. The detail is there but this cart has more of a want to shuck and jive. Somehow it seems to put focus on rythm and melodies. Also noticed there is less scratching and poping annoyance. I like it.
Here are a couple pics.


Thanks to everybody for the help, its good to have friends who know what they are doing!
Well here is my quick review of the new cart. A little too dark at first but after some run time it lit right up. It has a nice warm musical sound and I hear aluminum is supposed to sound that way where wood has more detail. The detail is there but this cart has more of a want to shuck and jive. Somehow it seems to put focus on rythm and melodies. Also noticed there is less scratching and poping annoyance. I like it.
Here are a couple pics.
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Sunfire Tube pre
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DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
OK ERIC, LET GO OF THE MOUSE AND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR PC WITH YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. NOW SLOWLY LAY FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!!!! - Snoop65
PT-2400 serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0001
Baby Black Magic serial #0002
Cherry/260wpc Mono Blocks
Lightstar Reference
Sunfire Series II 625x2
Carver 490t
OPPO-103
Lucas Labs CF-14
Sunfire Tube pre
DENON DP-62L TT
DUAL CS 5000 TT
DQ-20's
Tesla CF-15 speakers
Douglas Cables
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