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Stolen PM-1.5 on eBay

Post by bob p » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:14 pm

Here's a listing for a PM-1.5 on eBay that appears to be stolen:

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This auction came up on my radar screen because I routinely look for cheap 1.5 type amps that are located in pick-up distance for me.

If you take a close look at one of the auction photos, the serial number has been removed from this amp. The serial number is normally in a rectangular box beneath the orange knob on the back of the amp. Notice that in the auction photo the serial number has been removed:

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Serial number removal is both illegal, and it is a violation of ebay listing guidelines. I reported the auction. Let's see if eBay does anything about it or if they let it slide.

FYI, here is the official ebay policy on serial numbers:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/stolen.html
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Post by tfm75 » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:30 pm

Your probably right Bob. But the question is how long ago. Makes you wonder if one band swiped it from another over 10-15 yrs ago. If it was that long ago than its a 50/50. It looks like its had a mild road life and who know's just maybe the paper sticker with the serial on it got damaged and someone just finished the job. But is still odd.

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Post by bob p » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:46 pm

yes, there's no way to tell who is responsible for removing the sticker. but regardless of who removed the sticker, its illegal here in chicago for a store to offer for sale anything that's had its serial number removed. how and when doesn't matter. what matters is that you're dealing in "stolen" merchandise.

as far as the mild road life goes, yes, the amp looks kind of nice cosmetically on the outside. but that would suggest that the amp lived in a rack, right? doesn't mild wear suggest that the sticker didn't just "fall off"?
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Post by tfm75 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:14 pm

Well I see your point Bob. But I guess my speakers would be considered
"stolen" because through the years the stickers with the serial numbers have fallen off. And my stuff has never been on the road. That's why I said it's a 50/50. So there could be a slim chance this amp is on the up & up. Than there's a 50% chance it's not. But good eye on finding and letting the forum know to be on the lookout. That what this forum's all about. Looking out for each other and other's view points.

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Post by bob p » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:27 pm

FYI I filled out the complaint form on eBay related to the listing of stolen merchandise. Ebay provides lip service about this kind of thing, which is intended to fool you into believing that if you report something then they well actuall do something about it.

well, just as i suspected, eBay doesn't care if someone is fencing stolen merchandise.
ebay wrote:Dear eBay Member,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to this listing.

If you see an item on eBay that you believe is stolen, please contact
law enforcement immediately. Please inform the police officer handling
the case that eBay will be pleased to cooperate in the investigation.
Ask the officer to contact eBay at the following Help page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_ ... ction.html

To ensure that the report reaches the right person in the shortest
amount of time, the officer will need to follow these steps:

1. Select the "Listing Violations" option, and then click the
"Continue"
button.
2. Select the "Stolen property" option, and then select the "You are a
law enforcement official" option.
3. Click the "Continue" button.
4. Click the "Email us" link.

The officer will be required to enter his or her contact information
and, if available, will also be asked to enter the Item number, User
ID,
and additional information about your report.

Feel free to forward this message to the law enforcement officer
assigned to the case.

Thanks again for your report.

Regards,

eBay Customer Support
its obvious that eBay has no interest in policing their own site. even though eBay lists items without serial numbers as "prohibited" items to list, when they're notified about such contraband being listed on their site, they choose to do NOTHING about it unless a law enforcement agency FORCES them to do something about it.

Caveat Emptor.
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Post by Mad Dog » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:43 am

The auction ended early. Maybe Ebay did do something about it.
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Post by bob p » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:57 pm

Mad Dog wrote:The auction ended early. Maybe Ebay did do something about it.
No, eBay doens't give a damn, as its not their ass on the line.
I PM'd the seller and he voluntarily pulled the auction and gave the amp back to the owner.
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Post by Mr. M-500t » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:14 pm

bob p wrote:
Mad Dog wrote:The auction ended early. Maybe Ebay did do something about it.
No, eBay doens't give a damn, as its not their ass on the line.
I PM'd the seller and he voluntarily pulled the auction and gave the amp back to the owner.
Or so he said ???????????????

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Post by bob p » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:30 pm

eBay's message to me said that they would respond if the cops contacted them. to me, that meant that unless the cops contacted them, they weren't going to do anything that would stop them from getting a commission.

after a couple of days of eBay doing nothing I PM'd the seller, who responded by immediately pulling the auction. he responded to me with an email. he said that it wasn't worth the commission to get busted for fencing someone else's stolen gear.

i honestly believe that ebay doesn't give a shit.

besides, when ebay performs an administrative auction stop, the listing says that ebay canceled the auction. this listing says that the seller pulled the auction and that the item is no longer available for sale. i believe that it was the store owner and not ebay who did the right thing.
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