Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

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Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Iagent » Mon May 19, 2008 7:54 am

But somehow I just had to back off as it entered the $300 mark. What was once an entry level bookshelf stereo, must be sought after as they seem pretty rare.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by OBI56 » Mon May 19, 2008 11:25 am

IAgent .... BACK AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!!!! Come on, a CM-1065? That was one of the Chinese made units that drove Carver into bankruptcy. I'm not even sure they got any spare parts for that series, so if it ever died, not worth fixing. BTW, that price of $300 is about $200 to $250 ABOVE its fair used market value.

IMO, that's kind of like trying to buy one of those original Diesel V8 powered Oldsmobiles that couldn't make it through the warranty period without blowing up the engine and wanting to pay the price of new Chevy Malibu for it. Your OCCD must REALLY be bad ..... O:)

BTW, please send me the link to that auction; it doesn't show up on eBay for me and I'd like to add that information to the Carver Equiopment Database.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Iagent » Mon May 19, 2008 11:50 am

Well, I thought it was a nice unit for a kids room, but not over $150
I knew it was China made, but so was the TFM-15, and those work beautifully.

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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by OBI56 » Mon May 19, 2008 12:04 pm

Some TFM-15s were actually built in Taiwan, not China. 2 different countries despite what China wants you to think. Taiwan was about a quarter of a century ahead of China technologywise back then even though today they are only about 15 to 20 years behind Taiwan.

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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Iagent » Mon May 19, 2008 12:48 pm

Well it's another piece of Carver history, that a few seem to want. This was the first one I have seen. Just sort of interesting.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by boomer-X » Mon May 19, 2008 7:21 pm

Iagent

Go for the 1090 - it's a better unit with more power and easier to find - made from 90-95 (I think) and stay away from Chinese made Carver. Obi's right about the Taiwan units being better made (never thought I'd type that).

The 1090 was made in Japan and underrated at 100 WPC @ 8 ohms. I love mine and highly recommend them.

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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Mr. M-500t » Mon May 19, 2008 7:37 pm

boomer-X wrote:Iagent

Go for the 1090 - it's a better unit with more power and easier to find - made from 90-95 (I think) and stay away from Chinese made Carver. Obi's right about the Taiwan units being better made (never thought I'd type that).

The 1090 was made in Japan and underrated at 100 WPC @ 8 ohms. I love mine and highly recommend them.

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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by OBI56 » Mon May 19, 2008 8:36 pm

Back after the second world war Japan tried tot get back on its feet by producing cheap goods for export and Made In Japan came to mean cheap adn shoddy merchandise. Fortunately the Japanese learned their lessons quickly and improved their products and manufacturing procces to the point of making products of quality equal and in some cases better than US built products. As the years progressed Japanese quality kept improving faster than US products and eventually Made in Japan came to mean better and cheaper than products made here in people's minds. This was the beginning of the fall of American manufacturing and the gradual loss of these jobs. Just look at how Toyota, Honda and Nissan have by far surpassed GM, Ford and Chrysler in both quality and sales in every segment of the car market (notice that I specifically did not mention light trucks).

As other countries in the orient started to build up their manufacturing bases, the each in turn got the original bad reputation that Japan had just after the war, so Hong-Kong, then Taiwan, then Korea went through this phase of going from cheap and shoddy to higher and higher quality and value. It is now China's turn to atart at the bottom of the quality ladder (mind you that they have improved significantly since the early 90's and they are still not up to where the Japanese were in the mid-50s quality wise) and it will take them another 10 to 15 years before they are finally caught up to the Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans (who are now starting to beat the Japanese at the quality and value game).
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Post by Iagent » Mon May 19, 2008 10:05 pm

Well, I'm glad I didn't get thet 1065.
Still think it's a neat layout.
I pretty much get the feeling that the quality of the products coming out of China is just as good as the US companies want it to be. Many products sold within China are of a better quality than what is shipped here.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by OBI56 » Mon May 19, 2008 10:24 pm

Iagent wrote:Well, I'm glad I didn't get thet 1065.
Still think it's a neat layout.
I pretty much get the feeling that the quality of the products coming out of China is just as good as the US companies want it to be. Many products sold within China are of a better quality than what is shipped here.
You are partially correct there Iagent, but that is only very recent and was certainly not the case 18 years ago unless they actually used production lines and components from outside of China. Remember that Bob was shut out of the company aroudn that time by the board of directors who were trying to boost profits and cut losses by cutting costs at all costs. Back then the Chinese got into electronics production by buying older, obsolete production lines from other countries; in many cases lines that the Japanese had sold to the Taiwanese which they in turn sold ot the Koreans who finally resold them to the Chinese. The Koreans are now using mostly brand new, state of the art production lines just like the Taiwanese started to do 15 years ago. The Chinese are barely starting to implement brand new, almost state of the art production lines, so give them 5 years and they will be caught up.

Not to say that everything from China is cheap or shoddy; the Chinese have certain product categories where they have always been the world leaders in quality. It is mostly in the automated mechanical and high-tech industries where they have a lot of catching up to do. Anything having to do with hand assembly or requiring extreme manual dexterity is where the Chinese excel.

I am always reminded that Chinese craftsmanship is tops in the world, just as long as you explain everything to them in detail by this little story. A few years ago, one of the high end Italian miniature car model makers decided to contract out the manufacture of certain models to China. The quality of the models increased dramatically over what the Italians were used to except for 1 small detail. It seems that no one in China knew how to read Englisn or Italain and were precisely applying all the decals with writing on them upside down.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Iagent » Wed May 21, 2008 4:00 pm

If you have a working one, I'll stioll take it for $150
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by gsb001 » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:20 pm

Any pictures of the 1065?
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by OBI56 » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:36 pm

Look in the Gallery for pics of most Carver equipment. The CM-1065 is in the Amplifiers category, page 3 or 4 I think.
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Iagent » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:39 am

Still want a 1065. Haven't seen one since I posted this some time ago:(
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Re: Really wanted that Carver 1065 on Ebay last night

Post by Robert R » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:09 pm

For the kind of money you're looking to spend you could probably land an HR-752. They turn up frequently, and have what must be about the same power amp as the CM-1090. And, you get a tuner. Made in Japan.

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